Re: gEDA-dev: Regarding SoC application

[al davis <ad136-at-NOSPAMfreeelectron_dot_net>]

On Saturday 24 March 2007 05:56, Lars Johannesen wrote:
> Sounds really interesting :) allthough I must admit that I
> don't know much about VHDL, yet - only tried various SPICE
> programs and Matlab.

All we need is the desire to learn.

> Ok, I got a Windows system somewhere - but that part I can
> look into now in my spare time as I haven't found an
> electronics tool for windows that suits all my needs yet.

Like the rest of us.  Now you see why MS-windows is always last 
for free software?  For EE tools, there is really a pretty 
clean split of where most people run the applications.  

Truly free tools come out for Linux/BSD first, also run on Mac 
and other unix type.  High end commercial usually comes out on 
Solaris first, a particular linux like Red Hat soon.  Maybe but 
not always MS-windows.  Demo-ware is always MS-windows.  
Vendor-ware is almost always MS-windows.  If I was setting up a 
school computer lab, I would split it exactly this way, and not 
even try to make any of the tools fit outside their natural 
setting.

>
> > There is also the possibility of a version of gnucap
> > without plugins, for windows, if we can't get plugins to
> > work.  I guess that would be like the "crippled demos" you
> > often get in texts.
> >
> > I think your friends are hurting themselves by learning
> > only windows, but that's their choice.
>
> Can only say that I agree, but the fact is that not everyone
> uses linux many use windows / mac - which is why I figure a
> windows port could prove useful. Maybe just talk with the
> sysadm. at the department and get him to install gEDA on the
> sunray terminals.

Mac is not a problem.  It is unix-type, uses gcc.  Mostly it 
just works.

One approach I really like in computer labs is to run everything 
as terminals with one server for the whole classroom.  You can 
use old computers that would otherwise be too slow to be 
useful.  A compromise that works is to have MS-windows seats 
running X-terminal software accessing a server.  There can be 
several servers with different environments for different 
software.

> I will start to work on my application - is there anyway I
> could contact you over irc/icq or something similar to ease
> the communication?

That only works if I am sitting at the computer.  Use email.

> > Even if SoC doesn't accept, I still need the help.
>
> I'd like to help regardless of the outcome of the SoC
> application, but would like to apply for SoC because it would
> be nice to combine gpl and a job, so I can put more time into
> it in the summer than otherwise.

Another benefit  to you is that what you do here is visible to 
the world.  The project I proposed will be visible not only to 
the gEDA crowd, but also to the VHDL/Verilog crowd, a group 
gEDA is not reaching now.  I know of a conference 
http://www.bmas-conf.org/ that will likely accept a paper on 
it.

al.



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